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11:06 am
February 25, 2008


tony blair

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Each month we(family) donate(direct debit)£10.00 a month to Amnesty international for their fight on human rights.

Last month we got a questionaire on human rights from them and you had to marked 1-5 on issue was more important.One was the death penalty/Land mines/Abuse on women etc etc etc.

Well today we get a letter from a company called humanwrites asking if we want to write to a prisoner on death row(pen pal) and gave us 2 names.(one in South Dakota the other in Texas).

What do you think? I don't pesonally agree with the death penalty but to write to one prisoner on one,I am not so sure.

Enyoy Life This is not a Rehearsal.

11:21 am
February 25, 2008


Sidd_Finch

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TB, these two individuals most likely killed someone to get where they are.  Why don't you write back and see if you can become a pen pal with the family of one of the victims?

11:22 am
February 25, 2008


Joe S.

Member

posts 5496

I'd pass. But that's just me.

Out!

12:04 pm
February 25, 2008


Taylor

Admin

posts 344

Regardless of your stand on the death penalty, these people have committed the worst human rights violations possible. Why would you waste your time? Like Sidd said, write the victims.

12:16 pm
February 25, 2008


McGuire.

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posts 60

what did they do … if they wrote a bad check or killed a pet , no

if they killed another human … I'll personally pull the switch

1:49 pm
February 25, 2008


tony blair

England

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posts 1746

 Old sparky went a while back. It's the dreaded lethal injection.The death penalty is not deterrent in this day and age.(I don't think many criminals when committing the hideous crimes think that)

Maybe I am too liberal but the maybe some deserve  a second chance and the humiliation they get in there doesn't shock me but I don't understand why they get degraded.

Let's hope common sense prevails and the DP gets abolished.

Enyoy Life This is not a Rehearsal.

2:33 pm
February 25, 2008


Taylor

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Well, I'm against the death penalty for one reason – I don't think that government should legally be able to execute its citizenry.

That being said, the death penalty is not meant to be a deterrent – it's meant to be a punishment. Although, I think rotting in solitary for decades is far more appropriate for these monsters. 

There are not, and should not be, second chances for people on death row. 

TB, I'm not getting a sense of perspective from you for the acts these people did. You don't get put on death row for writing bad checks, jaywalking or even rape. 

4:45 pm
February 25, 2008


Sidd_Finch

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posts 1039

This is something that fundamentally bothers me about groups like Amnesty International. It seems like they are siding with the folks on Death Row as the victims.  These folks committed the crimes, they are not the victims here.

Regardless of whether or not you are for the death penalty, this still bothers me.  Again, if it were me to choose, I'd choose to write the famillies of the real victims…

5:17 pm
February 25, 2008


Randy

Missouri

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posts 1080

Have any of you read John Grishams first nonfiction book, "The Innocent Man"?

Here's a Quote from the jacket:

"If you believe that in America you are innocent until proven guilty, this book will shock you. If you believe in the death penalty, this book will disturb you. If you believe the criminal justice system is fair, this book will infuriate you."

 

It's cases like this, as rare as they may be, that make me oppose the death penalty. I would have no problem with the execution of a person if there was a way of proving absolutly without a doubt they were guilty. Unfortunatly even with confessions, eyewitnesses, dna, etc; smart attorneys and a lot of money can sometimes create reasonable doubt. Occasionally the  innocent person without the money or the smart attorney ends up on death row.

Anyways….Grisham's book is a true story about just such a person.

5:41 pm
February 25, 2008


m2ohio

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posts 1098

I wouldn't write mainly because these people aren't victims, but predators themselves.  That is enough reason to leave it alone.

Obviously, I am apart of the few on here who favors the death penalty.  DP should only be extended to the very few who really are below human.  I for one would rather spend the tax dollars on something other than supporting these people in prison for decades.  More importantly, I view the DP outside of the 'cruel and unusual' clause, thus absolutely justifiable and in accordance with the viewpoints of our founding fathers.     

"I love it when a plan comes together" – John "Hannibal" Smith

6:46 pm
February 25, 2008


freddiefanatic

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posts 1438

In a word:

 

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8:38 am
February 26, 2008


Eric

Buffalo

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Pass

4:28 am
February 29, 2008


George

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posts 1098

Peter, if some animal raped and killed your child would you appreciate a kind letter from a total stranger expressing their condolences? Would you feel that kind  effort should be directed towards the ruthless animal, instead?
Overpopulation is a danger. How many die of starvation each day? It's a privilege to live on this planet, not a right. You forfeit that priveldge with certain heinous acts. Your fellow citizens are not responsible for providing you a warm bed and 3 meals a day, this costs monies. You lose your life–this act does  not make our society less 'civil', void of compassion.
 publics bleeding hearts? they can be the ball bearers…….not good enough? then let THEM PAY to feed and house these animals. Just cut them a cheque each month, painless.
Harsh? I can assure you, there's a lot of love left in my heart Smile

4:41 am
February 29, 2008


tony blair

England

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posts 1746

George said:

Peter, if some animal raped and killed your child would you appreciate a kind letter from a total stranger expressing their condolences? Would you feel that kind  effort should be directed towards the ruthless animal, instead?
Overpopulation is a danger. How many die of starvation each day? It’s a privilege to live on this planet, not a right. You forfeit that priveldge with certain heinous acts. Your fellow citizens are not responsible for providing you a warm bed and 3 meals a day, this costs monies. You lose your life–this act does  not make our society less ‘civil’, void of compassion.
 publics bleeding hearts? they can be the ball bearers…….not good enough? then let THEM PAY to feed and house these animals. Just cut them a cheque each month, painless.
Harsh? I can ssure you, there’s a lot of love left in my heart Smile

To murder a prisoner is not the way forward or as the authorities like to put it suicide by execution.

So it cost money to support them but every person has right to some quality of life including DR inmates.

 We (family)give £10.00 a month to AI each month in their fight for the injustices in  human rights in this world.

The sooner the DP goes the better!

PS—If we decide to write to a inmate then it's not to console them but to try and make their miserable existence a little more bearable.

Enyoy Life This is not a Rehearsal.

4:49 am
February 29, 2008


George

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posts 1098

…..hypothetically, what if we bail on you , Peter —-that $10 a month now costs you and the rest of the bleeding hearts $500/mth…..direct deposit okay?

 

quality of life? up it to $525 and they get internet access

4:58 am
February 29, 2008


tony blair

England

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posts 1746

The money doesn't go directly to the inmate it goes to AI for the cost's in retrials and appeals.

If a DR inmate wrote to us asking for a few dollars for writing/reading  materials I wouldn't have a problem with that.It may even save the American taxpayers a few dollars.

It's my money to spend.

 

Enyoy Life This is not a Rehearsal.

5:04 am
February 29, 2008


George

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posts 1098

perhaps i'm not making myself clear. Personally, I could care less if they die or rot in jail. What I dont WANT IS MY TAX MONIES keeping these ruthless fucking animals alive. It's better spent elsewhere.

so, I say the bleeding hearts pay. You are offering to buy them books and all, so i'm sure your okay with the bill. You divide it amonsgt the lot of you.

i got a hunch its going to cost you more than $10 a monthWink…..

PAY UP

 

 

 

 

5:45 am
February 29, 2008


tony blair

England

PGA Championship Winner

posts 1746

George said:

 i got a hunch its going to cost you more than $10 a monthWink…..

PAY UP

 

 

 

 


It will £10.00 equates to around about $19Tongue out.

Enyoy Life This is not a Rehearsal.

5:43 pm
February 29, 2008


m2ohio

PGA Championship Winner

posts 1098

tony blair said:

To murder a prisoner is not the way forward or as the authorities like to put it suicide by execution.



I must say the choice of the word 'murder' here is a little strong.  It minimizes the actions of the predator by comparing his behavior to that of the state.  Is this what you are trying to say?

If you assume for a moment that we take away the DP, there isn't any form of punishment left for these people, i.e. predators would be free to kill guards, staff, wardens, and even other prisoners without penalty in jail.  A guy already serving a life sentence can't be punished with more time.  I am not saying that the DP is always used appropriately, but it can be used wisely.  Doesn't AI bellieve that society must protect ALL people.  If so, DP is a requirement.     

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